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Post by Rodeo Jock on Sept 30, 2005 15:47:08 GMT -4
addendum: where it gets grey is balls hit down the third and first base line. If a ball rolls down the line and goes into foul territory and the catcher or third basemen do not touch the ball and for some weird reason it rolls back into fair territory before going past third base, then the ball is fair. Jesse is wrong. Kickball rules are that cnce a ball is foul, it is always foul. There is no grey line. It cannot "roll fair" because it was already in foul territory at some point. A ball can be kicked fair, and then roll into foul territory. Once it rolls foul (and hasn't been touched), the ball is foul and play ends. BOOYAH! President Baybee! Such the wealth of knowledge. You've put Jesse back on track to being the best darn "catcher" DC Star has ever seen! <wink>
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Post by aspey on Sept 30, 2005 15:47:48 GMT -4
Wow, I'm disagreeing with Erin. This could be interesting. And to clarify, I'm talking about fly balls. Grounders I'm really not sure.
Might try to up this to the next level of authorities. I love it when the official rules change to clarify things, but make them more confusing instead.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Sept 30, 2005 15:50:02 GMT -4
Ruh-Roh Reorge. Time to call a tribunal...
<looks for the peacepipe>
Come on 300, come on!!!
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 15:50:46 GMT -4
Wow, I'm disagreeing with Erin. This could be interesting. Might try to up this to the next level of authorities. I love it when the official rules change to clarify things, but make them more confusing instead. My information comes direct from WAKA founders. I assure you I am right about the fair/foul status of balls. I used to be very confused about this one myself...but reffing at multiple Founder's Cup and President's Cup tournaments have set me straight.
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Post by anwilli on Sept 30, 2005 15:53:36 GMT -4
YOU GO, GIRL!
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Post by aspey on Sept 30, 2005 15:54:46 GMT -4
Wow, that took all of 10 seconds for me to be humbled.
So just to get this straight for the record... a foul pop fly that is touched and dropped by a fielder standing in fair territory is foul? Why then do they mention in the rule about fielders flying through the air still being fair?
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 15:56:23 GMT -4
Wow, that took all of 10 seconds for me to be humbled. So just to get this straight for the record... a foul pop fly that is touched and dropped by a fielder standing in fair territory is foul? Why then do they mention in the rule about fielders flying through the air still being fair? Silly Taylor...you read Sh3lby's question wrong. His fielder was in FOUL territory. I knew you know the rules!
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Post by yousavedlatin on Sept 30, 2005 16:00:07 GMT -4
fine.. well I guess I lose, even though I correctly answered Sh3lby's question and what I was wrong about was my addendum
Erin: 1
Jesse: 0
DAMN YOU ERIN, I'll GET YOU IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO.
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Post by Scottyg on Sept 30, 2005 16:03:27 GMT -4
So if a fielder is standing in foul territory COMPLETELY and the ball bouces out of their hands into fair territory, the ball was foul at all times and therefore remains that way?
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Post by sh3lby on Sept 30, 2005 16:06:47 GMT -4
addendum: where it gets grey is balls hit down the third and first base line. If a ball rolls down the line and goes into foul territory and the catcher or third basemen do not touch the ball and for some weird reason it rolls back into fair territory before going past third base, then the ball is fair. Jesse is wrong. Kickball rules are that cnce a ball is foul, it is always foul. There is no grey line. It cannot "roll fair" because it was already in foul territory at some point. A ball can be kicked fair, and then roll into foul territory. Once it rolls foul (and hasn't been touched), the ball is foul and play ends. What does rule 13.02b mean... like if a ball lands in the fair land after the base lines.. but rolls out.. thats fair according to this rule ya? thank you for clearing those other two up. I thought if someone touches a ball it's fair if it's in foul territory but it's just a foul, makes sense. and I'm so going to watch for those pitchers that try to do the wind up pitches on sunday way outta the kicking box! BALL!! =)
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 16:07:56 GMT -4
So if a fielder is standing in foul territory COMPLETELY and the ball bouces out of their hands into fair territory, the ball was foul at all times and therefore remains that way? Yes.
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Post by sh3lby on Sept 30, 2005 16:09:23 GMT -4
Wow, I'm disagreeing with Erin. This could be interesting. Might try to up this to the next level of authorities. I love it when the official rules change to clarify things, but make them more confusing instead. My information comes direct from WAKA founders. I assure you I am right about the fair/foul status of balls. I used to be very confused about this one myself...but reffing at multiple Founder's Cup and President's Cup tournaments have set me straight. hmm.. I think I'm gonna dye my hair Erin Red, cause it looks like I'm a lil Erin in training.. now who should be more skerd, her or I =) I am so taking ref clinic next season!
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 16:16:00 GMT -4
What does rule 13.02b mean... like if a ball lands in the fair land after the base lines.. but rolls out.. thats fair according to this rule ya? After first/third baselines, the ball can no longer "roll foul"...in those cases, once the ball is considered fair, it stays fair even if it rolls into foul territory. This is why it is important for 1st/3rd base refs to clearly call foul balls when kicked into the outfield. To clarify, in the outfield, it's either fair or foul...if it is kicked into fair territory, its fair...if it is kicked into foul territory, its foul. No rolling. In the infield, a fair ball can roll into foul territory and then be considered foul. A foul ball can never roll into fair territory and be considered fair.
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Post by aspey on Sept 30, 2005 16:29:25 GMT -4
Sooooo then.... wait... double check cos I got confused:
When a foul pop fly is touched and dropped by a player standing in fair territory... then it is a fair ball. Correct?
When a foul grounder is touched by a player standing in fair territory... then it is a foul ball. Correct?
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 16:33:48 GMT -4
Sooooo then.... wait... double check cos I got confused: When a foul pop fly is touched and dropped by a player standing in fair territory... then it is a fair ball. Correct? When a foul grounder is touched by a player standing in fair territory... then it is a foul ball. Correct? OMG. Are you people trying to make my brain bleed?? When a foul pop fly is touched and dropped by a player standing in fair territory...so you're talking about someone standing in fair territory and reaching into foul territory to try to catch a ball? Let me be as clear as I can be... If the ball is kicked into foul territory (either the infield or outfield), it is considered foul, no matter where the fielder is standing. So in both of Taylor's examples, the ball is considered FOUL because it was kicked into foul territory in each example.
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