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Post by sh3lby on Sept 30, 2005 14:57:07 GMT -4
Erin, oh mighty queen (or king if you want) I've got two questions for ya. or who ever else wants a shot at them
First Question.. Pitching
PITCHING Original: 8.02 The pitcher must stay behind the pitching strip until the ball is kicked. Failure to abide by this rule results in a ball.
Revision: 8.02 The pitcher must start the act of pitching within the pitching mound (see Rule 1.01d). The pitcher must stay behind the pitching strip until the ball is kicked. No part of the pitcher’s front foot may be in front of or across the front edge of the pitching strip. Failure to abide by this rule results in a ball.
My question is, to me, I read this as the pitcher can not go say 15-20' back and start their pitch. I read it as their pitch must start in the mound and they can't do a running stance.. other wise it's a ball. am I correct?
Second Question
FAIR AND FOUL BALL REFERENCE ADDITION Inserted: 13.02d (see Rule 1.04) Inserted: 13.03a (see Rule 1.04) Revisions: 13.02 A foul is: d. a kicked ball touched more than once in foul territory or stopped by the kicker in foul territory (see Rule 1.04); 13.03 A fair is: a. a ball kicked that lands and remains in fair territory (see Rule 1.04) (see Diagram 3A, 3B);
I've read this several times but still wonder about a play called on our game this sunday. If a ball is kicked up into the air and is completely in foul territory, but when an outfielder goes to catch it he/she touches the ball but does not hold onto the ball.. Is that a fair / live ball? or is it a foul? I would think it's fair, but just curious.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Sept 30, 2005 15:00:57 GMT -4
Erin, oh mighty queen (or king if you want) I've got two questions for ya. or who ever else wants a shot at them First Question.. Pitching PITCHING Original: 8.02 The pitcher must stay behind the pitching strip until the ball is kicked. Failure to abide by this rule results in a ball.
Revision: 8.02 The pitcher must start the act of pitching within the pitching mound (see Rule 1.01d). The pitcher must stay behind the pitching strip until the ball is kicked. No part of the pitcher’s front foot may be in front of or across the front edge of the pitching strip. Failure to abide by this rule results in a ball.My question is, to me, I read this as the pitcher can not go say 15-20' back and start their pitch. I read it as their pitch must start in the mound and they can't do a running stance.. other wise it's a ball. am I correct? My answer on that is, no, he cannot go 15-20' back. The pitchers "mound" is 16' in diameter with the strip in the center. Therefore, a pitcher should only be allowed to "windup" for 8'. And she is not a queen. She is Mme President. We are a democracy not a monachy.
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Post by yousavedlatin on Sept 30, 2005 15:07:05 GMT -4
foul ball is always a foul ball.. however the play can become active if the ball is caught (without a bounce) and a runner tags.. Then the ball is live.
this is the way baseball is played and the way I have always played kickball..
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Post by yousavedlatin on Sept 30, 2005 15:12:40 GMT -4
addendum: where it gets grey is balls hit down the third and first base line. If a ball rolls down the line and goes into foul territory and the catcher or third basemen do not touch the ball and for some weird reason it rolls back into fair territory before going past third base, then the ball is fair.
this is why you see catchers run after the ball, let it go foul and then touch it to ensure the foul ball. This once again is the way I have always played kickball and the way baseball is played.
If for some reason WAKA has some weird rule I do not know about, then I will let Taylor or Erin trump me on this one
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Post by sh3lby on Sept 30, 2005 15:20:19 GMT -4
so if the person catches the ball (before it hits the ground) and it bounces out of their hands and falls in one motion it's still a foul?
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Post by Scottyg on Sept 30, 2005 15:20:27 GMT -4
But the ball has to start out in fair territory before it goes foul...correct?
And I think if the player goes for a ball popped up in foul territory and drops the catch into fair territory then it is fair Shelby. If it is dropped and lands in foul territory it is still foul
again, I alwo await the Presidents decision
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Post by yousavedlatin on Sept 30, 2005 15:25:16 GMT -4
on the end of that line it says see rule 1.04
1.04 Any ball touched by a player or Referee wholly or partly in fair territory is automatically in play. A participant jumping from fair territory is in fair territory while in the air. A participant jumping from foul territory is in foul territory while in the air.
make things more clear? this speaks to what Scott just said
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Sept 30, 2005 15:27:48 GMT -4
You people are obsessed...
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Post by yousavedlatin on Sept 30, 2005 15:32:08 GMT -4
Only obsessed about things that apply to being the best kickball catcher ever.
ok now that I just reread that sentence, it does sound a little obsessive.
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Post by Scottyg on Sept 30, 2005 15:33:27 GMT -4
You say that, but when you lose a game to one of those rules that you didnt think mattered it sucks.
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Post by Scottyg on Sept 30, 2005 15:34:07 GMT -4
Moving on, Oh Erin, most knowledgeable Kickball President...
What happened to Stevie?
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Sept 30, 2005 15:34:27 GMT -4
Only obsessed about things that apply to being the best kickball catcher ever. ok now that I just reread that sentence, it does sound a little obsessive. Just a little? <can you tell Im just fifteen posts away from All-Star status???>
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Post by aspey on Sept 30, 2005 15:42:39 GMT -4
Fun times...
Question 1: This only talks about 2 restrictions. First, the pitcher must stay within 8' of the pitching strip. Simply put, you must be on the mound to start your "wind-up". Second, at no time can you cross the pitching strip until the ball is kicked.
So you can do whatever you want in between... run, dance, skip, forward-roll... as long as you start on the mound and finish behind the strip. If only style points scored runs.
Question 2: As latin pointed out, rule 1.04 says that if you're standing in fair territory and touch the ball... it's fair. So if you're planning on trying to catch a foul, I'd recommend standing in foul territory first so a screw-up doesn't cost you.
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 15:43:07 GMT -4
addendum: where it gets grey is balls hit down the third and first base line. If a ball rolls down the line and goes into foul territory and the catcher or third basemen do not touch the ball and for some weird reason it rolls back into fair territory before going past third base, then the ball is fair. Jesse is wrong. Kickball rules are that cnce a ball is foul, it is always foul. There is no grey line. It cannot "roll fair" because it was already in foul territory at some point. A ball can be kicked fair, and then roll into foul territory. Once it rolls foul (and hasn't been touched), the ball is foul and play ends.
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Post by bigred on Sept 30, 2005 15:45:09 GMT -4
Erin, oh mighty queen (or king if you want) I've got two questions for ya. or who ever else wants a shot at them Second Question FAIR AND FOUL BALL REFERENCE ADDITION Inserted: 13.02d (see Rule 1.04) Inserted: 13.03a (see Rule 1.04) Revisions: 13.02 A foul is: d. a kicked ball touched more than once in foul territory or stopped by the kicker in foul territory (see Rule 1.04); 13.03 A fair is: a. a ball kicked that lands and remains in fair territory (see Rule 1.04) (see Diagram 3A, 3B);
I've read this several times but still wonder about a play called on our game this sunday. If a ball is kicked up into the air and is completely in foul territory, but when an outfielder goes to catch it he/she touches the ball but does not hold onto the ball.. Is that a fair / live ball? or is it a foul? I would think it's fair, but just curious. That is a foul ball. Once it is in foul territory, the ball is foul and can never be called fair. Foul fly balls can be caught in the air and then the kicker would be out; however, if the ball is dropped by a fielder in foul territory, it counts as a foul and the kicker tries again.
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