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Post by sh3lby on Aug 22, 2006 12:01:48 GMT -4
I've had this happen several times.. but each time I never really understand why I'm told to leave the ball go.. If a catcher picks up a ball in the shaded area, that ball is fair is it not? or if a bunt rolls back into the shaded area, it's fair. is it not? from the looks at the rules. it looks as though it would be fair either way.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Aug 22, 2006 12:06:32 GMT -4
If you pick it up in the shaded area, you've picked it up in foul territory, therefore it is foul (the way I read it). It's only allowed to travel THROUGH that area to go into the fair territory.
If a girl-bunt rolls through the shaded area into fair territory and for some reason rolls back into the shaded area, I would imagine that's foul as well as it was fair at one point. It like it if was fair and rolling into foul territory around first base. Same difference I believe.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Aug 22, 2006 12:11:24 GMT -4
If you pick it up in the shaded area, you've picked it up in foul territory, therefore it is foul (the way I read it). It's only allowed to travel THROUGH that area to go into the fair territory. If a girl-bunt rolls through the shaded area into fair territory and for some reason rolls back into the shaded area, I would imagine that's foul as well as it was fair at one point. It like it if was fair and rolling into foul territory around first base. Same difference I believe. Wait, since the catcher (or any other player) is considered FAIR territory, that first answer may not be correct... Where is Boy Taylor when you need him?
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Post by Scottyg on Aug 22, 2006 12:15:00 GMT -4
I think it means that if for some reason you wanted to kick a ball that was way to either side of the base, it is allowed to travel on the ground through that area as it goes fair.
That looks like a huge batters box in the diagram, I dont realy think ther is that much space.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Aug 22, 2006 12:16:41 GMT -4
That looks like a huge batters box in the diagram, I dont realy think ther is that much space. That's right out of the WAKA Rules, Scooter. It's a HUGE space, really. I can't recall either of those two examples of Justin's happening with us any time in the recent past.
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Post by sh3lby on Aug 22, 2006 12:20:59 GMT -4
let me email our rep and see what he has to say.. because I'm always having this happen..
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Post by Scottyg on Aug 22, 2006 12:28:35 GMT -4
Oh I realize its right out of the book, it just looks like a lot more space than I remember. I dont think I've ever had this happen, then again I avoid head reffing like the plague.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Aug 22, 2006 12:32:04 GMT -4
I dont think I've ever had this happen, then again I avoid head reffing like the plague. A man after my own heart... I've suckered encouraged three Flamers to be head refs and even two additional suckers Flamers to serve as Line Refs.
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Post by silkpyrate on Aug 22, 2006 12:40:08 GMT -4
fascinating.................
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Post by felinegroovy on Aug 22, 2006 12:53:12 GMT -4
fascinating................. agreed
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Post by felinegroovy on Aug 22, 2006 12:55:04 GMT -4
So if it really is a ginat batters box then I am so using that next time. just cuz. It looks like you can be seven feet to either side of the plate. and I guess that means we have been setting up the cones wrong and they have just been blocking our giant batters box.
Of course if thats the box, its silly since a ball pitched in that area would be a ball....
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Aug 22, 2006 12:57:47 GMT -4
So if it really is a ginat batters box then I am so using that next time. just cuz. It looks like you can be seven feet to either side of the plate. and I guess that means we have been setting up the cones wrong and they have just been blocking our giant batters box. Of course if thats the box, its silly since a ball pitched in that area would be a ball.... Last season Sh3lby and I set them up as prescribed in the rules... the cones were the required 10 feet from home plate. I don't know how Just1f13d and others are doing it this year, but I believe that it's still the standard they use with that ropey thing in the equipment bag.
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Post by MA on Aug 22, 2006 13:02:15 GMT -4
First off, a player is not considered fair territory. That doesn't make any sense. If he is in fair territory while touching the ball, it is fair. If he's in foul territory and touches the ball, it is foul. I often times see people yelling at other people to not catch a pop up in foul territory because they think that if they drop it, it is fair. That is not correct.
Justin, if you pick up the ball in that shaded area and you are in foul territory with your body, it is foul. The only thing that drawing is showing is that since we kick the ball sometimes quite a ways behind home plate, that if you kick it from the back of the kickers box, then it can roll though that foul area and go into fair territory.
You are confusing what I tell you sometimes. I tell you to let the ball roll foul, cause I can see that it is heading towards foul territory. Now, on the otherhand it is probably not such a great idea to pick up a ball in that area unless you are sure it is going fair. A lot of head refs would probably just call it fair if you picked it up real fast and not bother looking at the baseline.
If it is a popup however, by all means make every effort to catch it.
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Post by Scottyg on Aug 22, 2006 13:04:28 GMT -4
Matt Allen, well put.
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Post by sh3lby on Aug 22, 2006 13:05:39 GMT -4
The fields set up with my rope I designed are 100% fetch. and you have to make your kick within that 10' box. as long as the ball passes over the plate (strike zone) even at an angle you have to kick within the box or it's a foul
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