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Post by sh3lby on Jun 21, 2006 0:27:45 GMT -4
 Ok.. I am a losing sleep over this.. (well not really) =) 8.05 The strike zone extends to 1 foot on either side of home plate to the side of the kickball, and 1 foot high to the bottom of the kickball. A pitch outside the strike zone is a ball.So.. my question is. are all 3 Diagrams Strikes? or Just Dia 3? because they're all within the strike zone but which side counts? I always call a strike if any of the ball is in the zone, does ALL the ball have to be in it? or am I calling right. |
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Post by d on Jun 21, 2006 7:39:08 GMT -4
From what I've heard, all 3 are strikes. Just like if the bottom of the ball is less than 1 foot high, if any part of the ball is within the 1-foot-on-either-side, it is a strike.
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Post by anwilli on Jun 21, 2006 8:09:14 GMT -4
I'd say that dia. 1 is a ball.... the very edge of the ball dances on the strike zone line, but the rolling ball is outside.... the other two would be strikes.
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Post by Scottyg on Jun 21, 2006 9:08:50 GMT -4
I'm gonna agree with Andy on this one, all 3 are strikes because I belive the rules state that if any part of the ball is within that box, its a strike.
Dia 1 would be more of a judgement call on your part because you dont have those lines there, and you also have to take into account the bounciness of the ball on the pitch.
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Post by Dagger on Jun 21, 2006 9:25:27 GMT -4
I've called many pitches like dia. 1 strikes. It has to catch any part of the strike zone. All 3 are strikes. I find the bouncie pitches tougher to call. Hard to measure one foot high when you are standing.
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Post by sh3lby on Jun 21, 2006 10:29:44 GMT -4
awesome. That's what I did with a pitch that curved through the strick zone on some of sack lunches pitches and I called them strickes. the other team was like huh? I'm like if it goes through the strike zone that bubba is a strike! heh
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Post by Teerizz on Jun 21, 2006 11:02:09 GMT -4
I'd also agree....all 3 are strikes....but I don't think Marvie knows what 1 foot is  Hehehehe...j/k But also, just tell the players up front...As a ref, I have a tighter or wider strike zone....I usually tend to do this...I call a wider strike zone. So long as everyone knows, it should be fine. PS - I simply LOVE the diamgram!! That should be sent in and added to the rules sheet! |
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Post by Teerizz on Jun 21, 2006 11:06:15 GMT -4
What about this:
What if the ball hits home plate in the air, or even doesn't hit the ground til after the plate (goes over the plate or strike zone though)...yet still remains 1 foot or lower.
I know you are supposed to judge the "bounciness" based on the bounce before and after the plate.
I know that Marvin called it a strike the one time I did it this past weekend.
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Post by Scottyg on Jun 21, 2006 11:15:29 GMT -4
I think the rules state that the ball must hit the ground before the plate. We have some hard pitchers in Rock Creek and they get balls called if the ball lands on the plate, regardless of how low it is after that.
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Post by sh3lby on Jun 21, 2006 11:21:49 GMT -4
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Post by Scottyg on Jun 21, 2006 11:50:10 GMT -4
That reminds me, maybe the loss on Sunday was due to a lack of good luck flair....the Skurry armband should have been dusted off.
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Post by sh3lby on Jun 21, 2006 11:53:37 GMT -4
lol.. Good ol Fall 05. Gotta love those darn arm bands
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Post by aspey on Jun 21, 2006 12:00:09 GMT -4
The very few times I've head-reffed, I'm very liberal calling strikes being wide of the plate, but extra strict about bounciness. If it's rolling on the ground to your kicking foot... kick the damn ball.
Basically, I hate seeing every count getting to 3-2-3 before something happens. So throw a kickable ball... and if it's kickable, don't stand there and waste the easy ones if they're a little wide.
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Post by meeeshell on Jun 21, 2006 13:46:07 GMT -4
That reminds me, maybe the loss on Sunday was due to a lack of good luck flair....the Skurry armband should have been dusted off. The Skurrry armband needed to be retired last season when the originators defected to another team... continued use would be sad imitation. |
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Post by SLc on Jun 21, 2006 13:47:29 GMT -4
Keeping in mind calling balls and strikes is all (personal) judgement......
I call it like in baseball, if any part of the ball hits the plate, its a strike... (in Justin's example.. all 3 strikes) of course, in kickball, the ball is bigger and so is the outside zones (hence the extension of a 1 foot to all sides of the plate) ..
Bounces are always harder to call. You have to judge the distance of bottom of the ball from the top of the plate, AND consider the first and last bounce (it has to be a foot or under for both).. The latter of which was introduced this year to call the 'rise' balls some pitchers throw balls.. in which they would make their first bounce just before the plate (making the first bounce under a foot) but then rise past a foot once it crosses the plate- These are now balls.
Trying to watch all this, plus fair/foul balls, whether the kicker is behind the plate, catcher is behind the kicker is a lot to ask of Head Ref sometimes.
Until WAKA implements Quastec to verify the refs, let's give Headrefs a break.. : ) .. though they should all know the rules and be fair and firm on calls. Thats all you can really ask.
-Kevin
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Hehehehe...j/k
