Pitching.......The Verdict Is In!

[kickballplaya]

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FOOT ON THE STRIP AND YES, YOU CAN PITCH OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE PITCHERS RUBBER. WELL AT LEAST FOR THIS SEASON YOU CAN! Please read from the bottom first. Thanks!



I would say so. I can’t find anything in the rules that prevents it.

Brian Hain
WAKA – The World Adult Kickball Association
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From: Herrity, Donald
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:09 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Someone Please Help!

So as long as it's not written in the rules (for now), a pitcher CAN stand say 3 or 4 feet to the side when pitching? Correct!?!?
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Donnie Herrity
HR Representative


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hain [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:08 PM
To: Herrity, Donald
Subject: RE: Someone Please Help!

Okay, I read all the posts and re-read the rule. This is a case of taking the rules a little too literal and will inevitably end up in a wording change. At no point does it express you have to engage the strip in anyway, so by that notion anybody would be within the rules by starting and ending his/her motion 12 feet behind the strip at any point. Certainly not much advantage there unless you are going from a huge angle 12 off to the left or right. So, yes, a player could now technically do that motion as long as they are always behind the pitching strip/line. This is where we need to add something about specifics on where the motion should be finished. So, I would encourage DC Star to stipulate for their division that the pitcher finish his/her motion at or directly behind the strip as what is intended (but not expressly written) in the rule book. Did that answer all of your questions? Let me know if you need anymore.

Brian Hain
WAKA – The World Adult Kickball Association
www.kickball.com
[e-mail]
The New American Pastime TM

Come join the family for games and fun on and off the field. Enjoy the WAKA Experience at kickball.com

“By the Beard of Zeus!!”


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From: Herrity, Donald
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:35 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Someone Please Help!

Nope, not yet!

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Donnie Herrity
HR Representative


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hain [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:30 AM
To: Herrity, Donald
Subject: RE: Someone Please Help!

Didn’t anyone clarify this for you?

Brian Hain
WAKA – The World Adult Kickball Association
www.kickball.com
[e-mail]
The New American Pastime TM

Come join the family for games and fun on and off the field. Enjoy the WAKA Experience at kickball.com

“By the Beard of Zeus!!”


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From: Herrity, Donald
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:11 PM
To: [e-mail]; Brian Hain; [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]; Taylor Smith
Subject: Someone Please Help!
Importance: High

dcstar.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=dcstar&action=display&thread=1144780104

Helloooooooooo my WAKA peeps Marisa, Brian & Michelle "Meesha" Vaccaro!

Please grab some popcorn, click on the link above and kindly read our posts. Scroll down until you get to my clarification of the pitchers mound and pleeeeeeeeeeease clear this up for us. Thanks so much!

Donnie

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Donnie Herrity
HR Representative


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[aspey]

So to clarify... there are several other divisions that don't restrict the pitcher to the width of the plate... which means that the WAKA rules committee will likely clarify the rule as such next year. Therefore:

DC Star will be anticipating a clarification in the rules that says that the pitcher is allowed to release the ball anywhere on the mound... as long as they are not in front of the 1st-3rd imaginary line. That said, don't be an ass.

[kickballplaya]

When they didn't have such a huge staff, I was part of the WAKA rules committee. I'd like to think that I know how they consider these possible ammendments.......They will take into consideration that a lot of other pitchers, including 75% of the ones in the WAKA Founder's and President's Cup tournaments do not pitch from directly behind the rubber. It will probably be restricted to 2 - 4 feet from the center of the pitching strip. Last year they defined the pitching radius as 8 feet. In 2006 it was ammended to 12 feet because all of the aggressive pitchers need more than 8 feet for their delivery. It sounds like a lot of space but really it's not. Therefore, if you stand a couple feet off to the side, I'd think your fine. If you're 12 feet off to the side, as Aspey put it, "don't be an ass."

[sh3lby]

*nods*

[aspey]

Ok ok, so we'll go 4 ft from the center of the strip then.

[kickballplaya]

Sounds okay to me..........

[MA]

The way i see it is: Why do you even want to pitch from off to the the side of the mound? What's wrong with right behind the mound? The only reason i can see to pitch from the side is to get some sort of advantage. I think in order for the pitching to be the fairest, just have everyone pitch from behind the plate instead of trying to guess if someone is within 4 feet. I don't think kickball should be about trying to get an advantage over people.

The rules guy even said that it was intended for people to finish behind the plate.

[kickballplaya]

We can't enforce a rule until it's in writing. The WAKA rules committee will decide whether it should be changed/ammended. Brian is a division rep and is one of the 10 - 15 people that are part of the WAKA rules committee.

[Scottyg]

I thought kickball was all about taking advantage of people...and in turn being taken advantage of...did I miss something?

[kickballplaya]

It couldn't be better spoken..............well done Scottyg!

[Rodeo Jock]

kickballplaya said:

We can't enforce a rule until it's in writing. The WAKA rules committee will decide whether it should be changed/ammended. Brian is a division rep and is one of the 10 - 15 people that are part of the WAKA rules committee.

Uhh... then how do we get away with the additional first base rule?

If we as a division wish to say that all pitchers will pitch from behind the strip, then that's the way it will be.

If we're not allowed to do this, then that additional first base need not appear on our fields again.

[anwilli]

ma said:

The way i see it is: Why do you even want to pitch from off to the the side of the mound? What's wrong with right behind the mound? The only reason i can see to pitch from the side is to get some sort of advantage. I think in order for the pitching to be the fairest, just have everyone pitch from behind the plate instead of trying to guess if someone is within 4 feet. I don't think kickball should be about trying to get an advantage over people.

The rules guy even said that it was intended for people to finish behind the plate.

See the other thread, but Matt Allen, I needed the cushion of space this past week b/c the wind was blowing so hard, I couldn't keep the ball in teh strike zone without some help from the angle. No advantage for moi...

[kickballplaya]

Dude, the extra first base is for SAFETY! I don't want to get hurt because some moron runs into me because he/she wants to get onto first base! I play a lot of other sports besides kickball and I'd like to continue doing so!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rodeo Jock]

kickballplaya said:

Dude, the extra first base is for SAFETY! I don't want to get hurt because some moron runs into me because he/she wants to get onto first base! I play a lot of other sports besides kickball and I'd like to continue doing so!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No offense donnie, but two things. If kickball is so dangerous and not as important as your other sports, there's an easy solution, don't play. And second, I stand on my original contention of that issue in that it's bad reffing that's the problem, not the safety issue. And I've seen plenty of collisions at other bases, yet we don't use additional bases at second, third, or home...

But again you missed the point of my post. It was not attacking the addition base rule (although everyone knows how I feel about it), it's that if we're not allowed to make rules stick for our division, that additional base is not in the WAKA rules therefore we shouldn't have it. You can't have it both ways. We can either adjust the rules for our division or we can't.

[Teerizz]

I thought kickball was all about taking advantage of people...and in turn being taken advantage of...did I miss something?

I think ScottyG is refering to the ladies of kickball, at the bar....not on the field


Anyways, I agree....you should start anywhere u want, but end up behind the rubber when u release. Who cares what the WAKA Head Ref guy says....this is our division, and we can ammend the rules as we see fit....hence 2 first bases. And besides, our division is more of a social division...not too many teams are THAT competitive on the fields that they wnat to learn all these special pitches and curves and all that...its all in fun!! If you're that competitive that u wanna exploit the rules to their fullest, then I dont think this is the league for you.

I mean, everyone hated SL last season cuz all they care about is the kickball aspect, and they were snobs about it too. I think that hatred is dying down as they try and attend the bar more often now, but still.....who wants to be THAT team / player...

My two cents....