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Post by kickballplaya on Apr 11, 2006 14:28:24 GMT -4
As a head referee you do not need to keep track of the score or which inning it is. You only need to keep track of the outs, strikes, balls and fouls. It is the captains' responsibility to agree on the score and inning at the end of each inning. Captains, make sure you are using a scorebook! If you are not and there is a discrepancy, you will lose the arguement since you can not prove your point in writing. Have a lovely day!
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anwilli
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Post by anwilli on Apr 11, 2006 14:31:32 GMT -4
As a head referee you do not need to keep track of the score or which inning it is. You only need to keep track of the outs, strikes, balls and fouls. Thanks! I already have a hard time counting on my fingers and toes with outs, fouls, strikes, balls... Can you tell I'm not a mathlete?
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Post by kickballplaya on Apr 11, 2006 14:34:54 GMT -4
Don't worry! I'm ordering umpire clickers this week........four counter ones! They have counters for balls, strikes, outs and innings. Use the innings counter for foul balls!
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Apr 11, 2006 14:44:14 GMT -4
Thanks! I already have a hard time counting on my fingers and toes with outs, fouls, strikes, balls... Can you tell I'm not a mathlete? Mathletes? Are you crazy? That's social suicide!!
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Post by Dagger on Apr 11, 2006 14:59:39 GMT -4
Hmm..I have kept score, but always ask both teams to confirm. I will have to stop. Reffing is awesome.
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Post by MA on Apr 11, 2006 15:02:40 GMT -4
I have a question for the rules commitee here. The pitcher from Buntilingus claimed that the 12 foot backup for the pitcher's mound also extended out to the sides. He said that he was allowed to be 12 feet off to one side of the pitcher's rubber when throwing the ball. This didn't seem right to me. It seems kind of unfair to be throwing the ball from way over to one side. that would essentially make any curve you throw even curver and cut off one side of the field.
What is the rule on this?
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Post by sh3lby on Apr 11, 2006 15:16:06 GMT -4
as strange as it sounds. that is correct (98% sure I am). he has to start is pitch in the pitchers mound and MUST stay behind the strip until the ball is kicked.
(let me ask our rep to be 100% sure)
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Post by kickballplaya on Apr 11, 2006 15:16:28 GMT -4
Hi Orange team referee. This is the pitcher from Buntilingus & head referee of the division. Quoted straight from the rule book: 8.02 The pitcher must start the act of pitching within the pitching mound (see rule 1.01d). 2006 Revision to 1.01d The pitching mound extends 12 feet from the center of the pitching strip Unless I'm missing something, you can technically pitch up to 12 feet away from the center of pitching strip. When I pitch, I stand about 2 to 3 feet off to the right of the pitching strip. Not trying to sound like a smart ass at all, but please correct me if I am missing something.
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Post by sh3lby on Apr 11, 2006 15:18:41 GMT -4
I just asked our rep, I will let you know what she says.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Apr 11, 2006 15:33:50 GMT -4
To the Head Ref:
But you missed the other half of the rule: Rule 8.02: The pitcher must start the act of pitching with in the pitching mound (1.01d). The pitcher must stay behind the pitching strip until the ball is kicked. No part of the pitcher's foot may be in front of or across the front edge of the pitching strip. Failure to abide by this rule will result in a ball.
It expressly says that the pitcher must stay behind the strip, not 2 to 3 feet off to the side. And it also implies that a pitcher's foot should be on the strip when s/he releases the ball when it says "No part of the pitcher's foot may in front of or across the front edge of the pitching strip."
So you can START anywhere behind the 1st-3rd diagonal while on the mound, but you must release the ball with a foot on the pitcher's strip.
But I'm sure WAKA will make this call... we should really encourage them to put in an 8.02b that says where the pitcher needs to be when the ball is released.
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Post by kickballplaya on Apr 11, 2006 15:42:11 GMT -4
When they say "across the front edge" they are saying that your toes/shoe can not cross the infront of the pitching strip. It would be almost impossible to have your foot on the strip when pitching without crossing it/stepping over it. I have pitched in many Founder's Cup and President's Cup games that have been reffed by WAKA division reps and even Jimmy and David, two of the WAKA founders. It's never been an issue.
Reading a little further, the rule states that "the pitcher must stay behind the strip until the ball is kicked." Not on it, as that would be impossible!
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Post by kickballplaya on Apr 11, 2006 15:43:32 GMT -4
I agree, they do need a revision. It would be hillarious if a pitcher pitched 12 feet away from the pitching strip.
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Post by sh3lby on Apr 11, 2006 15:53:18 GMT -4
The stip is the same as the base line.. so it gets confusing.. let me see what michelle says. Donnie put it well. WAKA needs a full time rules person =p
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Apr 11, 2006 15:53:51 GMT -4
But it still implies that the pitcher's foot is ON the strip.
Then explain to me how when I finish a pitch, the front of my foot is on the strip, but not in front of it? How is it impossible that a pitcher can not have enough control to release the ball at this point? I've watched many pitchers in the Division do exactly that. It doesn't say your entire foot has to be on the strip, just implies that PART of your foot should be on it, but not over it.
I agree that's what it says, but again, I don't see how it is impossible. If you end with your toe on the strip behind its front edge, you've met the criterion of the rule.
And not to get into a pissing match about it, but I am giving you MY perspective of the rule. And honestly, whether or not it's been an issues is not relevant. Whether or not the WAKA founders follow the rule or division refs call it is not an issue either. How DC Star and WAKA interpret the rule is. All those folks may be making incorrect calls. We'll see what WAKA says.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Apr 11, 2006 15:55:36 GMT -4
The stip is the same as the base line.. so it gets confusing.. let me see what michelle says. Donnie put it well. WAKA needs a full time rules person =p That's incorrect. They are two different entities. The 1st-3rd base diagonal is an imaginary line that cuts across the field. The strip is that little piece of rubber that is in the center of the pitching mound that happens to sit on the imaginary line. They are far from being the same.
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