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Post by d on Apr 30, 2007 14:13:01 GMT -4
i had a brutal sunday reffing, mainly because we had another situation where a fielder making a play on the ball accidentally kicked it out of play. the original discussion was here: dcstar.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=1144095478after reversing my own call twice, i awarded only the 1 base for an overthrow. did we ever come to a consensus for this? i think as long as its accidental, it doesn't matter how the ball goes out of play and that it is only the 1 base. if someone intentionally kicks/throws the ball onto constitution ave, i'd say the runners can go all the way home.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Apr 30, 2007 14:15:36 GMT -4
From what I remember of that discussion (as it was a Flame ON game) was that your call would have been correct. But for the life of me, I do not remember the exact outcome. Justin would, though... Yes, this was the final outcome: Quoted from one of Justin's posts: Just got back word. From what I got back / understand.. yes. Our call was right. it was one base. if it's a deliberate kick / deflection into foul then no. but since it was by accident then the one base rule applies. Taylor, please confirm.. I fwd'd you the three emails... She agree'd with this statement Basically, the effect was that the fielder punted the ball into foul territory when attempting to catch it. So it sounds like it comes down to whether that's considered a "deflection" or not in regards to the one-base-on-an-overthrow rule. In this case, we ruled it as such. It gets tricky because a fielder could intentionally kick the ball foul to save giving up a home run (in this case it was an accident).
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Post by aspey on Apr 30, 2007 17:00:03 GMT -4
It actually did result in an "official" ruling presented during the ref clinic this year (and in the commonly miscalled rules guide). The exact scenario is even in there docs.google.com/Doc?id=dz5m9fm_10fjkb4cIt actually should have gone the other way -- trying to catch a ball in the outfield and screwing up does not constitute a deflection, throw, or kick towards a player or base (which is required for the overthrow rule to apply). It's not an overthrow because it wasn't towards anyone -- it's just a plain ol' costly error. The quote Patrick posted was early on in the discussion and got clarified later on. Rules archive: dcstar.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=1144095478&page=1
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Post by d on Apr 30, 2007 23:02:03 GMT -4
crap. thanks for the update. at least it didnt impact the winner of the game.
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Post by Teerizz on Apr 30, 2007 23:26:32 GMT -4
Kyra told me about this ruling after the game...u muff a catch and it goes far, far away...the runners are free to run where ever...
I'd say let's add this into the newsletter for this week too, just like last week. I figure more people read the newsletter than the boards, so its best to try to inform as many people as possible.
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Post by d on May 1, 2007 18:38:56 GMT -4
the issue that 1829 brought up was one of safety. if the outfielder boots it onto constitution, then they are putting themselves at risk in trying to get to the ball knowing that the runners can keep going. i think this needs to at least be discussed.
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Post by aspey on May 2, 2007 12:09:08 GMT -4
I think if it rolled onto Constitution Ave, then the other interference rules would come into play. I think you would go with the tourist/non-permanent object version there -- meaning the play ends and runners advance to where they were headed.
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Post by walshmobile on May 2, 2007 12:14:28 GMT -4
Though if it rolled onto Constitution I think the entire fielding team would suck at life and have to turn in their WAKA player cards then go drown themselves in alcohol
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Post by Rodeo Jock on May 2, 2007 14:06:07 GMT -4
Wow... it's quiet today. I'm going to have to find a new issue to get hot-under-the-collar about...
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Post by Scottyg on May 2, 2007 15:28:54 GMT -4
Does anyone else have the most users on at one time being 73? WHAT THE HELL was going on that day? Is that even possible?
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Post by Rodeo Jock on May 2, 2007 15:30:55 GMT -4
Does anyone else have the most users on at one time being 73? WHAT THE HELL was going on that day? Is that even possible? I got that, too! It was on November 13, 2006... that was after the season ended. I wonder what we were kvetching about... And it is possible since we have 131 members...
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Post by Scottyg on May 2, 2007 15:32:40 GMT -4
possible, but some of those are like Sack Lunch or even people from my team that were on one time and never again...I dont know if you can really clean that up, but no way even 2/3 of those names are being used.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on May 2, 2007 15:34:23 GMT -4
It was post-election season, too. It could very well have been a heated discussion time, but I'm with you... no way 73 people were logged on from our list of users... but it does include guests, too, I'm sure.
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Post by tacos on May 3, 2007 10:11:32 GMT -4
Soooooooooo is the official decision that whenever we dont feel like catching or running for the ball, we simply can just throw it or boot it out of the field, therefore only allowing the runners to advance 1 base....
So does that also mean, for arguments sake, that if a kicker just happens to kick the ball so perfectly that it lands fair, and then spins into foul territory and some how ends up rolling towards Constitution Ave it shall then be considered a deadball?
So by this logic (and by logic I completely mean BS) all professional baseball players, can thus pick up a fly ball that was missed and just toss it into the stands, thereby saying it is out of play, and deemed a ground rule double. Excellent news......well not really.
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Post by walshmobile on May 3, 2007 10:26:41 GMT -4
No, you're getting it backwards. The play has to be towards a player or base for it to be considered an overthrow otherwise the runners can keep advancing.
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