Your Birth Control Pills...

[Rodeo Jock]

Are going to give the christian extremists in this country another reason to ban them. They hurt fishes!! The estrogen that goes into the waterways seem to be creating intersexed fishes in major waterways like the Cheasapeake Bay. Apparently scientists are finding in 100% of the male trout (or was is bass) they pull from the Bay have immature eggs in their testes.

How scary is that....

<someone please take my NPR away. LOL>

[t0ken]

Justin have you been caught swimming in the Bay again

[sh3lby]

I only swim in ponds thank you

[walshmobile]

Because let's not forget what the religious right wants us to believe. Kissing can lead to pregnancy, and all that other bullshite. Can't remember the rest now but that "fact" is something actually put in abstinence based sex ed courses in the midwest

[MA]

walshmobile said:

Because let's not forget what the religious right wants us to believe. Kissing can lead to pregnancy, and all that other bullshitee. Can't remember the rest now but that "fact" is something actually put in abstinence based sex ed courses in the midwest

Source?

Wow, I love it when people just make up crazy stuff then attribute it to some group of people they don't agree with. Much easier to make them look looney.

[Rodeo Jock]

ma said:

walshmobile said:

Because let's not forget what the religious right wants us to believe. Kissing can lead to pregnancy, and all that other bullshiteee. Can't remember the rest now but that "fact" is something actually put in abstinence based sex ed courses in the midwest

Source?

Wow, I love it when people just make up crazy stuff then attribute it to some group of people they don't agree with. Much easier to make them look looney.

Actually, Walsh is correct (at least in part). I remember the hullabaloo in the news when someone got hold if that course materials. I'm not sure if the "kissing" statement is true, but they did say that you can get HIV through tears, which is a boldface lie (unless you're Senator Doctor Bill Frist), among other falsehoods about HIV/AIDS.

I don't remember the publication, but give me an hour and I may be able to find it again.

[MA]

arodeojock said:

Actually, Walsh is correct (at least in part). I remember the hullabaloo in the news when someone got hold if that course materials. I'm not sure if the "kissing" statement is true, but they did say that you can get HIV through tears, which is a boldface lie (unless you're Senator Doctor Bill Frist), among other falsehoods about HIV/AIDS.

I don't remember the publication, but give me an hour and I may be able to find it again.

I don't think he is correct in any part. He said that the "religious right" was claiming that you could get pregnant from kissing. That statement is just so far from any sort of reality, I had to call him on it. If anything, his statement is a bald-faced lie.

[Rodeo Jock]

ma said:

Wow, I love it when people just make up crazy stuff then attribute it to some group of people they don't agree with. Much easier to make them look looney.

Walsh is more or less correct. Rep. Henry Waxman got hold of those course materials and lead a congressional inquiry into them. They did make many statements that were obvious lies and others that have absolutely no science to back them up. And yes, these materials were influenced by the religious right members of the Bush camp.

From the Congressional report:

A Congressional report of Bush administration-approved sex education programs (dated 12/1/04) found that these curricula handed down such bits of wisdom as:

• A 43-day-old fetus is a "thinking person." (Not sure anyone has determined this, no info online)
• HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, can be spread via sweat and tears. (According to NIH, HIV has not been recovered from the sweat of HIV-infected persons and has been found in tears in amounts so low it doesn't even rank in the "low threat" column.)
• Condoms fail to prevent HIV transmission as often as 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse (I found 2-3% from NIH)
• Women who have an abortion "are more prone to suicide" and that as many as 10 percent of them become sterile. (No study I could find backs this up)
• Condoms have a 15% failure rate (according to NIH studies, this 15% failure rate was in reference to PREGNACY and resulted from human error, the worst I found for HIV transmission due to confom failure was 2-3%)
• half of gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for AIDS (while the rate is going up in ALL teens, it's not 50%; the rates probably refered to studies that say 50% of NEW HIV cases will occur in people 14 to 25)
• pregnancy can result from touching another person’s genitals (if only this were true...)
• premarital sex can cause cervical cancer (HPV causes it according to NIH)
• with scrupulous use of condoms, 14% of women will get pregnant (according to NIH the correct figure is 2%)

And from another article (MSN: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6894568/):

"The study showed about 23 percent of ninth-grade girls, typically 13 to 14 years old, had sex before receiving abstinence education. After taking the course, 29 percent of the girls in the same group said they had had sex.

Boys in the tenth grade, about 14 to 15 years old, showed a more marked increase, from 24 percent to 39 percent, after receiving abstinence education."

Scary fact: "Recent studies show that 26% of sexually active teenagers think it’s impossible to get HIV through oral sex, and 15% more don't know whether people can contract HIV this way. The truth: it is possible. (Source: CDC)"

OK, off my soapbox. Time to go home.

[girlscantell]

You can tell the religious right that either it's birth control or a population boom. With the extra people taxing natural resources, effed-up fish will be the least of our worries.

[walshmobile]

woah I missed some hubbabaloo while playin some games. anyway my issue is more with the religious part not the right part, it's just the right tends to be more religious based which really pisses me off cause of the whole supposed to be "separation of church and state."

and trust me, it'll be hard to make me look looney when you want to get into a serious argument about religion and it's role in politics

[MA]

walshmobile said:

Because let's not forget what the religious right wants us to believe. Kissing can lead to pregnancy, and all that other bullshitee. Can't remember the rest now but that "fact" is something actually put in abstinence based sex ed courses in the midwest

arodeojock said:

Walsh is more or less correct. Rep. Henry Waxman got hold of those course materials and lead a congressional inquiry into them. They did make many statements that were obvious lies and others that have absolutely no science to back them up. And yes, these materials were influenced by the religious right members of the Bush camp.

I still fail to see how his post is "more or less correct" What part of his post was even remotely close? The part where he said "all that other bullshitee" was in a course report? That's a pretty vague reference there. I was referring to his made-up statement about getting pregnant through kissing. This is absolutely wrong. It seems like a case of you saying that it's ok to not get the facts correct, as long as the gist of what he was saying right.

I have absolutely nothing to argue about with the facts in your post Patrick. I think that all claims and stuff being taught in sex ed should always be backed up with facts and not conjecture or made up statistics. I'm a big fan of citing sources rather than just claiming something.

Although, as much as you are railing against these false statements in the sex ed course material, you are completely letting Walsh's made up fact slide by saying he is "more or less correct".

[girlscantell]

You got religion in my politics! No you got politics in my religion!

Sorry, couldn't resist. And I officially just dated myself.

[walshmobile]

my "made up fact" was told by a roommate who was studying the topic in a course at the time. I either don't remember what he said correctly and it was just the getting pregnant from oral (which I've heard from other sources) or it was a specific case that he didn't cite to me that was from a certain school district instead of a generality. I got the general gist of it. I'll be sure to use proper MLA citation from now on

[MA]

walshmobile said:

my "made up fact" was told by a roommate who was studying the topic in a course at the time. I either don't remember what he said correctly and it was just the getting pregnant from oral (which I've heard from other sources) or it was a specific case that he didn't cite to me that was from a certain school district instead of a generality. I got the general gist of it. I'll be sure to use proper MLA citation from now on

"Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me."

It must be true! Ralph Wiggum told it to me! And he's never mistaken.

[Rodeo Jock]

ma said:

I still fail to see how his post is "more or less correct" What part of his post was even remotely close? The part where he said "all that other bullshiteee" was in a course report? That's a pretty vague reference there. I was referring to his made-up statement about getting pregnant through kissing. This is absolutely wrong. It seems like a case of you saying that it's ok to not get the facts correct, as long as the gist of what he was saying right.

I have absolutely nothing to argue about with the facts in your post Patrick. I think that all claims and stuff being taught in sex ed should always be backed up with facts and not conjecture or made up statistics. I'm a big fan of citing sources rather than just claiming something.

Although, as much as you are railing against these false statements in the sex ed course material, you are completely letting Walsh's made up fact slide by saying he is "more or less correct".

One person's "slide" is another person's "knitpicking" I suppose. While he didn't get an exact example, the spirit and intent of his statement is correct, that the christian taliban is spreading lies in sex ed classes, which I assume is the point of the "other bullshite" half of the comment.

I don't quite understand why missing the mark by an inch or so has you so twisted out of shape.