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Post by MA on Nov 9, 2006 12:40:52 GMT -4
And look... WEBB WON!! Allen just needs to be the bigger man now and concede and let the Dems have the Senate. He's already ruined his chances of running for President, he needs to bow out gracefully and not like a spoiled child. (Those of you in the Commonwealth should email his offices and request he not fight the outcome.) Kind of like Al Gore didn't fight the outcome of his election? Never heard any dems saying he should not fight it when it was clear he had lost...
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Nov 9, 2006 12:55:11 GMT -4
And look... WEBB WON!! Allen just needs to be the bigger man now and concede and let the Dems have the Senate. He's already ruined his chances of running for President, he needs to bow out gracefully and not like a spoiled child. (Those of you in the Commonwealth should email his offices and request he not fight the outcome.) Kind of like Al Gore didn't fight the outcome of his election? Never heard any dems saying he should not fight it when it was clear he had lost... The situation is a bit different this time around. There are not a ton of voter polling issues looming. There are no accusations of voter fraud. There is not an undecided tone of the nation. And this is more like a standard election where losers are losers and winners are winners. Personally, I don't think the recount (if Allen requests it) will produce a different result. Virginia is not Florida... or Ohio.
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Post by aspey on Nov 9, 2006 12:58:34 GMT -4
Kind of like Al Gore didn't fight the outcome of his election? Never heard any dems saying he should not fight it when it was clear he had lost... True, but the difference being punch-card ballots + hanging chads + Florida historical election incompetancy vs. electronic voting machines + no paper trails + historical Virginia competency. So 7,000 votes is a large deficit to overcome in this respect and chances are that a recount wouldn't amount to much. Whereas Florida had tons of election idiosyncrities to investigate. The election reforms were a result of Florida's problems, after all. Edit: Patrick beat me to it
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Post by anwilli on Nov 9, 2006 12:59:17 GMT -4
Kind of like Al Gore didn't fight the outcome of his election? Never heard any dems saying he should not fight it when it was clear he had lost... The situation is a bit different this time around. There are not a ton of voter polling issues looming. There are no accusations of voter fraud. There is not an undecided tone of the nation. And this is more like a standard election where losers are losers and winners are winners. Personally, I don't think the recount (if Allen requests it) will produce a different result. Virginia is not Florida... or Ohio. Yeah, unlike those states, we actually have a 21st century standard of voting... seriously, who punches holes in a paper card? in 2004? WTF Score one for the Commonwealth!
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Post by MA on Nov 9, 2006 13:10:15 GMT -4
The situation is a bit different this time around. There are not a ton of voter polling issues looming. There are no accusations of voter fraud. There is not an undecided tone of the nation. And this is more like a standard election where losers are losers and winners are winners. Personally, I don't think the recount (if Allen requests it) will produce a different result. Virginia is not Florida... or Ohio. Ah, voter fraud. I love how that always gets thrown around along with how bush "stole" the election. There was not a single proven instance of any voter fraud or anybody being denied the right to vote. As for Gore, what he did was a lot worse than what Allen would do by asking for a recount. Gore wanted to only recount the areas of florida where he knew he would pick up votes instead of the whole state. Anyways, I do agree. I don't think there is any way that Allen can win this election. There are too many votes to try and pick up, so he should just drop it. On a side note, Jim Webb ran probably the dirtiest campaign i've seen in a while. He seems like a real sleezebag. Plus kind of a weird guy judging from the stuff that he wrote in his books.
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Post by anwilli on Nov 9, 2006 13:18:46 GMT -4
It was Allen's race to give away and he did, with all the crap that went down this summer... Webb had no political experience prior to this (at least that's what I think i read in the Post)... and he beat the incumbant and a former governor.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Nov 9, 2006 13:36:03 GMT -4
I didn't say voter fraud. I said "accusations of voter fraud." There were many of them. It's just a matter of record. Whether is fact or not is not something I wouldn't discuss. That's up to history to figure out.
Personally, I don't believe there was any in either of the two elections, either. And as for Gore's limited recount, I agree, that was wrong. It should have been the entire state. That was a strategic misstep, but the recount should have happened.
And you're right. Webb is a tad odd, but hey, he's the next Senator from the Commonwealth and he can't be any more odd than say Foley, or Waxman, or Pelosi, or Hasstert... LOL. I've not read any of Webb's books, so I can't comment on those.
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Nov 9, 2006 13:48:51 GMT -4
It was Allen's race to give away and he did, with all the crap that went down this summer... Webb had no political experience prior to this (at least that's what I think i read in the Post)... and he beat the incumbant and a former governor. I think he was something like Undersecretary of the Navy under Reagan or the first Bush. But you're right, he had no electoral political experience. And Allen pretty much handed this election to him, from his Macaca Moment, right down to his sketchy million dollar stock non-disclosure. He seems to have been running in a pre-2000 Virginia. The largest population centers of VA are NOT as red as they used to be. The majority of AREA may be conservative, but an increasing majority of PEOPLE are not. The future of Virginia politics are that the state legislature and congressional representation will probably remain largely republican since they are based on geographical area. The governor and Senators will be more and more moderate to liberal as the population of the state grows and continues on its more liberal trend. This will create some interesting situations in politics and could make a great case study for someone doing a masters/doctoral degree. It could turn Virginia into a model of bipartisanship if both sides are willing to compromise. Ok, off my soapbox. The elections is over (almost). Did Allen do his press conference yet today?
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Post by MA on Nov 9, 2006 13:50:06 GMT -4
Lol, here are some of the better quotes from Webb's books:
– Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.”
– Something to Die For: "Fogarty . . . watch[ed] a naked young stripper do the splits over a banana. She stood back up, her face smiling proudly and her round breasts glistening from a spotlight in the dim bar, and left the banana on the bar, cut in four equal sections by the muscles of her v.agina."
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Post by Rodeo Jock on Nov 9, 2006 13:57:42 GMT -4
Um, I wanna see someone do that second one!
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Post by t0ken on Nov 9, 2006 14:26:54 GMT -4
– Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.” Man I tell you that's what I want in my Senator, a guy who can write about man who sucks off his son. I tell you that's some Pulitzer Prize winning stuff right there.
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Post by anwilli on Nov 9, 2006 14:44:00 GMT -4
Lol, here are some of the better quotes from Webb's books: – Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.” – Something to Die For: "Fogarty . . . watch[ed] a naked young stripper do the splits over a banana. She stood back up, her face smiling proudly and her round breasts glistening from a spotlight in the dim bar, and left the banana on the bar, cut in four equal sections by the muscles of her v.agina." I feel dirty just reading those... t0ken is right... talk about award-winning prose.
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Post by t0ken on Nov 9, 2006 15:45:54 GMT -4
Do you all also realize that if the Green candidate was not in the race wasting votes that Allen would have easily won because he would have gotten a large majority of those 26000+ votes.
I am not saying that it would be a good thing but just something to think about.
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Post by aspey on Nov 9, 2006 18:18:12 GMT -4
I dunno, I feel like most of those were "none of the above" votes. And it's not the real Green party, it's a Independent Green party, which is environmentally conscious, but fiscally conservative... so they could have been split.
Anyway, it's official... Burns and Allen both conceded!
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Post by t0ken on Nov 9, 2006 18:22:32 GMT -4
I dunno, I feel like most of those were "none of the above" votes.
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